end, we will win. our troops will fight to win. we will fight to win. >> secretary of state rex tillerson seems to be downplaying some of those expectations. here's what he told reporters this afternoon. >> i think the president was clear, this entire effort is intended to put pressure on the taliban to have the taliban understand you will not win a battlefield victory. we may not win one, but neither will you. so at some point, we have to come to the negotiating table and find a way to bring this to an end. >> let's go back to the panel. do you see daylight between the president and his secretary of state? >> yes. >> no. >> yes. absolutely. >> jen? >> first of all, the other thing secretary tillerson said is fighting is going to get everyone nowhere. that is in direct contrast to, of course, the clips that were just shown by what president trump said last night. he's right, and most military and civilian leaders would agree with what tillerson said. now, the problem is, we heard a little bit of rhetoric from