casualties or strikes against them. if you only get one through, it is traumatic. going back to john and phil, what they just said, it is all about choices. how do you pull them away from this and why are we lowering ourselves to the level of north korea? >> right. >> gloria, are you going to say something? >> just to make that point. here you have the united states which should get a lot of credit and a vote in the u.n. security council against north korea. and why we are not isolating kim and saying the entire international community standing against you and ensteinstead tu it into a fight between the president of the united states of all people and kim, it seems absurd to me because of the entire international community