he listens in on conversations between cabinet secretaries and the president. he has booted lingering staff members out of high level meetings and ordered the doors of the oval office closed to discourage strays. tim is joining me, cnn presidential historian and general mark hurtling, who served more than 15 months in iraq with general kelly, did multiple operations together, and so general, just beginning with you, just more great detail out of this piece too, how the times is saying general kelly had told his new employees that he was hired to moong manaanage staff, not the president. you know the man. does that sound like general kelly to you? >> well, first, brooke, what i'd say -- i'm smiling because it sounds like what every chief of staff does in any military organization, what they should do, in fact, what they're trained to do. but yeah, john kelly is that kind of guy. he is very pragmatic. he's very disciplined. he brings rigor to a staff process. i've seen him to do that.