republican senator and democratic senator. >> this is crazy. i don't say that lightly and as a goofy guy. of a, and you know the -- this thing you know, if we don't get a budget deal -- >> i know. >> -- we're going to be paralyzed. and he hasn't said one word. >> i don't even think he knows there is a boc of anything. i really don't. >> so i call that kitchen table talk and commercial break talk even from people who are supporters of whatever. they say one thing in the commercial break and you say wait, where did that come from? when you say thing ayou don't necessarily want to say in public. am i wrong? >> look, susan collins was