against the president? don't you think that you as a press organization, look, we all benefit from leaks, because we talk about them in the press. but the truth is they're very harmful to the country. >> but chris, respectfully what about the substance. >> i am talking about the substance. >> we should be having the conversation about the leak? >> let's talk about the substance of the crime. the underlying crime is that somebody leaked classified information. the president's private conversations with world leaders have been leaked, i think three or four times now. these are probably the most guarded secrets a nation can have, the press doesn't think there's anything wrong with this. so when donald trump has a 15-minute private conversation with putin and there's no note-taker, they're surprised and shocked that he did this? >> you have to let me respond to this. if the story is true in the "post" today and i grant you it's possible that it's bogus