copter -- octocopter. >> people are dreaming about whipping in and out of traffic and going to their destination for about a hundred years, right? >> what's your pitch to people saying, this is not an imaginary project? >> if you squint just right, this looks like a drone. everyone realizes drones are pretty well advanced. if we were doing this 20 years ago and people have not seen a drone fly, this would be more difficult. it's a joy stick that says go forward and steer. >> is this to be flown on its own? or is someone going to be at the controls? >> yeah. so, the first version is going to be piloted, right? built autonomous, but working with the faa to get it certified. >> to get this in the air, obviously you're going to have a