>> oh, it changed him. made him a different person. it drove him to say to himself, you know, i will use my time to make things better. >> it is interesting. you were surrounded by martyrs. and the survivors of martyrs. and his brother -- in a sense was as well. was that a -- i remember, very clearly, the night on, april 4th. of 1968, when martin luther king was killed in memphis. you were with robert kennedy in indianapolis. you were organizing for him. in the indiana primary. i know local authorities didn't want him to speak. they were worried about violence there. just an obligation. it was -- the right thing for