is it not a reasonable question to ask does a kushner or donald trump jr. open himself up? and i know we were talking about a series of meetings to this point it's one meeting that has been lied about in effect. is blackmail a fair question? >> it's not just one meeting. it's been several meetings kushner's been involved with. that have been -- and the question is -- even if you want to say okay. those were mistakes, it's a judgment call. and the ranking democrat brought up yesterday he believed this meeting was potentially something that could be held over to the president, compromised information and could presumably influence the president's viewpoint on key policy decisions and that's one of the things and also going to back to the notion of