that she just does for fun? probably not. probably she has relationships with them. so she can deny it all she wants. the bottom line is they thought she worked for the russian government, and i think that what gloria brought up is the thing that has really been sticking with me and makes me think is there is more information out there. his reaction, when he was told that the russian government was sporting the candidacy of donald trump was, great. basically, any other person -- >> welcome to the campaign. >> any other person would have been pulled up short and said, whoa? it clearly wasn't the first reference, which means there's a whole bunch of other conversations that have happened leading up to this. that's my guess. >> right, if that's the first time you'd been informed that the russian government is backing your father, you would think you would be somewhat surprised. >> right now, we're looking at this through like a soda straw and there's so much we don't know. we're only seeing this one e-ilexchange. >> right. >> and the question, of course, jim sciutto, and others in d.c., how much information or i think we're clear from the folks in