here is what i think your previous panel said. it was very unsophisticated in taking this meeting and not really knowing what the agenda is and sending some important people to obtain this opposition research, but i don't think there is anything that i have heard to date except wild speculation that demonstrates that anybody knew it was a foreign national or knew about connections which i still haven't seen a real connection to the kremlin, and really other than somebody was sold something false and took the meeting based on that false premise. >> basically you're dealing with two scenarios here. either he knew it was a russian national who was offering up this incriminating meeting who was willing to take a meeting he knew nothing about and bring in the president's, the soon to be president's son-in-law as well as paul manafort who was skro r overseeing the campaign at the time. the other version is -- because that is the one you're saying that you believe to be true, right?