>> from my perspective, i would say objective perspective, it didn't seem like there was any effort to try to get to a real question or get to the bottom -- >> i think she asked a lot of questions actually. she was dogged but i wouldn't say she was any more dogged than ron wyden was, would you say that? >> i have my opinion. i think she was hysterical. i don't think senator wyden was really trying to get to the bottom of answers either. >> but he wasn't hysterical and she was. i wanted to clear that up. >> i thought it was way out of bounds. this is the second hearing in a row. >> she didn't shout but even if she did, they both were asking a lot of tough questions and i think calling her hysterical is probably a little -- >> hysteria is a quality. what's that? it's just women who are usually called hysterical. >> you're being hysterical. >> yes, i'm hysterical now for example. she was asking a lot of questions and he wasn't