might see his lawyers push trump to deal with it that way. putting him in front of, you know, mueller for five and a half hours is a disaster for donald trump. >> you know, jeffrey lord, doug said the buzz words would make you perk up, which was ronald reagan. >> what was that, john? >> exactly. he said ronald reagan. so i have to ask you the next question by law here. do you think that the president should testify under oath, and let's say for argument sake, out loud in front of bob mueller? >> i'll leave to it the lawyers, but i like the reagan solution, do it in writing. john, really, this is about a war between washington and the washington establishment and a lot of the american people. and that really is what's going on here. and washington, i worked there for a long time. i love the place. but boy, it is tribal warfare. these scenes that you would see of people lining up in bars at 9:00 in the morning in washington, d.c. to watch the comey hearings, i assure you