hacking into the dnc. so i -- i don't think flat-footed. the question is how far the president could responsibly have leaned in based on what john brennan said today. brennan said today he was worried about contacts between trump campaign officials or people associated with trump and the russians, but he couldn't yet say whether -- based on what he saw, he couldn't say whether it was collusion. that's what the fbi that's ongoing is all about. so what would have happened if the president based on what brennan said today had gone beyond whamt -- where he was at that time? there would have been enormous hue and cry about an attempt to influence the election the other way. these are questions that are going to be debated, i'm sure, for many years to come. >> i'm sure about that as well. rebecca berg, what is director brennan's testimony yet another very serious blow to