specific visa denial. and that's not what we have here at all. >> no. but, of course, judge paez, they applied it equally -- >> that's correct. >> broad policy determinations by the executive. i don't think the supreme court or any of the courts of appeals has ever tried to limit the mandel test to just a discretionary denial of visa by a counselor officer. and for the reason some members gave at the rehearing stage it wouldn't make much sense to say that a singular counselor officer get morse deference than the president of the united states in an executive order. >> in the context of this case, the executive order is an extremely broad order. we're not dealing with an individual one-off determination by an officer. >> it is a policy. that's what executive orders do. they don't deal with one-off denials. i don't know that it's an extremely broad policy.