even -- i know you could see it was happening. >> it doesn't affect me. the key is, we have to get involved. now with this drug stuff, we have zombies walking through our streets. it's no excuse for that. and it has to be a proactive approach. if we choose not to get involved, then whatever happens we can't complain about. the minute we become involved and we're taking ownership of the situation and the problem. and when we have ownership of it, that means we can dictate what happens and how it happens. >> i don't know how she can handle this. she has pride in camden and believes it will get better. but for me at this point, i'm pretty much gutted. there's problems all over the country with police and how police are doing their thing and what police are doing, but we can't have that. it's just depressing. this is sad. kids should be able to play basketball right there, but i