the former national security adviser michael flynn, was problematic in and of itself, that it was more than just him lying to the vice president, that's key, right? >> right, so this is actually -- it seems like such an old story at this point, but we seem to forget this actually -- president trump wasn't president yet. this was in the transition period, so in this period of time we have sort of a one president at a time rule, where it's considered highly inappropriate, if not a technical violation of something called the logan act, for a private citizen, which is what michael flynn was at that point, to be having those kinds of communications with a foreign government. so that's one element of why the underlying contact is problematic. the other piece is the substantive offer, right, why was the trump administration, representatives of the trump administration, offering to lift sanctions or undercut sanctions that the obama administration had just applied in order to counter really, really serious interference in the u.s. election? >> okay. micha michael isikoff, sally yates warned white house counsel about