was done to u.s. national security guys like alder james and those guys had great security clearance through top secret level. there's a lot more it to it than clearances and vetting, it's what these people did and that's what the fbi is doing from counter intelligence perspective. >> according to gordon he said once you get to the level of michael flynn he is saying, i don't want to take you out of context gordon but sounds like you said you should know the game, should know the score, should know what you have to disclose and what you don't have to disclose. is that not correct? >> yeah, no, look, first of all, i mean, michael flynn was the chief of the defense intelligence agency. the chief intelligence officer for the department of deaf. for the department of defense. that's no small thing. you would think someone at that level would know the rules. i think this is actually a