the topic tonight is the hippies. we have with us mr. jack keurac over here who is said to have started the whole beat generation business. >> jack kerouac never wanted to be a prophet. he wanted to be a great american writer, but fame destroys people in america. >> to what extent do you believe that the beat generation is related to the hippies? >> well, they're just -- >> what do they have in common? was this an evolution from one to the other? >> they're just the older ones. i'm 46 years old. these kids are 18. the beat generation was a generation of beatitude and pleasure in life and tenderness. i believe in order and piety. >> here's the progenator of the counterculture kind of disowning his own babies and trying to make sense of a decade he didn't