ferretive way? why did he refer to these people as whistleblowers? look, i agree with the bigger question. there's a bigger substantive issue, which is the russians hit our elections very hard. >> right. >> and there are questions about whether there was any collusion or not, and that is the main question. this is a brush fire that was started when the president made his allegations about being wiretapped, which has since been disabused. >> and this is a side note, because devin nunes, one thing he said consistently is this one's not about russia. but let's veer back to the broader picture. >> yes. >> and the important news today with regard to the investigation with russia. michael flynn now asking, through his attorney, asking for immunity. his attorney saying he has a story to tell. should the white house be worried about this? >> well, certainly, somebody in the white house knows whatever story flynn has to tell. i mean, there's someone there, i don't know whether it's the president or someone beneath the president knows what flynn knows, so they have a sense of