hold on. let me get my point in. photo ops of people sitting around him. many times it's not diverse. times it is, it's a photo op. and nothing is actually happening. perception of something. >> mary elizabeth taylor is -- picture is right behind -- >> placement of one of the black staffers in the white house. >> you can't look at that picture and say -- >> that's freedom caucus though. >> not agree we have a lott long way to go. just all white guys like us sitting around where the decisions are made. >> yesterday had a -- >> we don't believe in freedom? >> congressional black caucus, not one single vote there -- >> how many people in the picture? >> that's what we're talking about. >> zero. 25 people. >> are there any women?