>> he really believes all this? >> yes, he does. and i tell him every day that i think this is the greatest thing that's ever happened, greatest thing for journalism, greatest thing for cnn, fox news and breitbart and the american people. with 4 billion people in the world, you're not going to get could not census. so the edges of what he perceived as really being a point of view that is going after him which quite honestly i don't believe and i tell him that i don't believe that, that's not what is happening. everybody is doing their job a, is a good thing for him. >> when you say they're not going after you, does he listen or just sort of in one ear and out of the other? >> he absolutely listens. he listens to everything. but in his belief, assimilation of the facts are disparate, so he's not getting a fair shake. which of course is always the case in a political situation because it's politically motivated. but at the end of the day, it's