president trump has committed to want to talk about tax reform, education, some of the items that are on the list of concerns that the cbc has when they finally get a chance to talk with president trump? >> well, let me shock mr. levell and perhaps you, fred, by saying, yeah, those are incredibly encouraging signs if indeed the president reaches out to the cbc. what we know is that under the obama administration, it was quite difficult for the congressional black caucus to initially meet with the president and then to sustain meetings with him. at one point, as i've written in my book "the black presidency" the cbc went over 635 some odd days before the obama administration would agree to meet with them. and then with the hbcus, there was a legal technicality and a procedural one that denied millions of dollars and cost tremendous resources to people who attend historically black colleges and universities,