campaign about banning muslims. and rudy giuliani told us the president came to him and said how do i do this in a way that doesn't violate the law. so there's concern about intent. back to the obama administration, after san bernardino congress sought to impose further restrictions and there were some in congress who were looking at actually shutting down immigration, shutting down refugees. the administration had to work with congress and we were trying to keep this in check. and we focused on four countries out of the seven and there was no ban. what we did do was take away the possibility of people who had pass ports in those countries and other countries who could come in without a visa under the previous law, we took that right away, requiring a visa. but there was never any ban imposed by the obama administration. >> think back to the establishment argument. the constitution says congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. it is such an incredible stretch to apply that to an anti-terrorism regulation that
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