different parts of the south at a time when it wouldn't have been imaginable that that tl would be not just a black president but a black family in the white house. thankfully, mrs. obama's mother was with them for a good bit of time. that was part of the overall narrative across not just one term but two terms. so very healthy, very good in that. now, are there clearly problems? i think black lives matters and others have pointed out things we need to talk about and don't always talk about well. i think they have. one of the interesting questions for me, don, will be will president obama jump back in the political arena sooner than most ex-presidents given the potential repeal of something he cares so much about, obamacare, which for him is not just a political point but is a moral point. >> a fascinating conversation. i appreciate it. thank you all. the only one who isn't afraid of me getting them sick was carlos. >> strong one. >> kayleigh left town because of it. thank you, guys. have a good one. that's it for us tonight. thanks for watching. i'll see you right back here tomorrow.