saying it's a really hard thing to figure out and computers are just inherently unsafe? >> i'm not sure that it necessarily discourages future hacking. you know, what has happened is in terms of encouraging and discouraging things, the president-elect has encouraged russia to continue to invest in him which i think is exactly what putin is doing at this particular point. i certainly don't think it will stop the russians from doing any additional hacking. whether or not there are other hackers out there, one thing i can also say is in terms of making a distinction of future hackers between some 400-pound guy in his basement someplace, that's very, very different from a state actor from somebody like russia hacking. the difference is like watching peewee football and the nfl. you can tell. the intelligence community is very good at determining who is doing these hackings. >> mike, you agree that you can actually tell that it is possible to figure out identity,