this is going to be tough to remove himself from the conversation? >> it is, and it's going to at a time discipline. he often talks about the examples of the bushes, both bushes as ex-presidents who have been very discreet about how they have spoken on public issues since they left the white house. he appreciated it and saw virtue in it. on the other hand there are many democrats in a party where there isn't an obvious leader who would like him to be the point of the speer. he made it clear he's not going to do that, but if there's an issue of significant moment particularly on constitutional principle, he may leap in. and he's going to direct his efforts to try to inspire young leaders here and around the world who feels can pick up the torch and carry it in the future. he thinking his job is to recede and encourage others to step forward. >> it's a fascinating interview, david axelrod, it's on "the ax