about region. we haven't talked about race. this was a white lash. this was a whitelash against a changing country. it was a whitelash against black president, in part. and that's the part where the pain comes. >> did those words cause you pain? >> yeah, they struck at me. because -- not me, but what your comment was about our country. because i don't see our country that way. i don't see this election that way. to suggest there was a whitelash, in part against a president, a black president, who was twice elected with the majority, you know, a strong majority and strong white support, it was hard for me to say that is based in any kind of real objective analysis of what was going on. you heard from the folks who were up here earlier and i heard it over and over and over when i was campaigning for president in '12 and in '16. there were a lot of people hurting and they didn't think anyone of either party was listening to them. and that's not a whitelash or a backlash, that's just lashing. >> well, yeah, well, first of all, i appreciate the chance to talk with you about it, because