rural white voters, what they are expressing is this feeling that the city elites, you're right, the big divide with city versus rural, but it's become a cultural issue. there's a lot of very good pieces from people living in rural america saying, you know, we hate the idea that the whole of america is dominated, obsessed and fascinated by cities. how do you think that makes people like us feel. >> right. >> all the movies are set in the cities. >> they feel forgotten. >> and so it's -- what i mean is, it used to be very simple. if you were a working class guy in a factory you understood that the democratic party was your party. if you were a professional living in the city, now it's all mixed up. it's the professionals who are voting democrat. it's the working class whites who are voting republican. >> for people who are tracking this internationally, what is the difference between what happened in italy, and austria? >> in austria, you had a ceremonial election. the presidency is a ceremonial position and the right wing, you know the right wing populous