the ceremonial role that ivanka seems to want to do. ivanka, i don't know if she's going to influence policy but people are writing these dear ivanka letters on social media and leaving them outside of a kushner owned building in manhattan. by her at least saying she will listen on these issues and cares about these issues, i think it makes people feel they have someone in the trump orbit who at least she's a former democrat. see socializes as in this aspen conference hike with the liberal donors, hillary clinton's biggest donors. that's her social scene. so maybe it is messaging as rachel said. i think she's right to be skeptical about all of this. but in a ceremonial role and the first lady is in some sense, ivanka is someone that is positioning herself to be seen as someone who can hear the other side. >> uply, you seem to be in