you know, it all happened so fast. literally -- at least it seemed to me, maybe the time frame is compressed but it seemed to me literally within 15 to 30 seconds i heard the shots and it was over and i didn't look around. i saw i think one other student who was hit by the car and flipped up in the air. he was lying on the ground and -- but i didn't see any people who were stabbed because they were off to my side. >> reporter: [ inaudible question ] >> well, i think, you know, at this stage until we really know all the facts i'd prefer to hold judgment. he was an osu student, yes he was have somalia but he was an osu student and having been a faculty member for 35 years. i'm only too aware of the things that drive students sometimes to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do and before i pass judgment on this young man i