there was no contrition there. don't forget, there are other tapes of donald trump. on twitter, there is a tape of donald trump calling paula jones a loser back in the '90s. these things are going to come out. then we're going to be back to sort of ground zero here. and i think that tonight, if i were -- i'm not sure who is undecided vote i get, maybe it is millennial women, but i kind of don't think so. if you want to have the debate, as david was saying, over women's issues, let's have the debate. let's have the debate about sexual assault. let's do that. this way, to have this debate, is not constructive at all for the american public. >> gloria, the thing is, and to pick up on this, there is nothing moderate about running around the country calling donald trump a sexist, racist, xenophobic, et cetera -- >> what do you mean by using donald trump's own words? that's what -- she's only --