the fact is he tends to do it himself, which hasn't helped him over the years. but he has a super pac. and not only that, but his super pac, the spokesman for his super pac is his long-time spokesman, rick tyler. so everything he said about the romney pac is in fact true for him. and the truth is that those of us who actually agreed with the supreme court decision, because of the first amendment and all that stuff, the fact is that everybody's got a chance to build their own super pac. my guess is that it was somebody from a super pac that called -- that called governor perry today. and that was the enlightenment that he got. they said we'll raise you 5 million bucks. but everybody can do this. and newt understands that this is not the girl scout cookie drive. this is big-time politics. he's been engaged in this for 30 years. he knows what's involved. and he ought to just kind of let it roll off his back. the problem with newt is he can't laugh at himself. if he could laugh at himself he would be far better off and a far better leader, by the way. >> mary, i know you like him. you respect him, as many do.