times where people will say you're not talented anymore. never give up on yourself. my wife was the only person on this planet that i could turn to and say, am i going to be able to be a star again? and she said yes, you can do it. despite everybody saying no, it's over with. everybody said it was over with. when i was 20, 201 years old, had just gotten married, you know, put yourself in my wife's shoes. all these fans all across the world that have donnie osmond record burning parties -- >> and i remember girls having donnie osmond wife burning parties. like linda mccartney. >> if anybody could write a book, my wife could. but she never would. >> we talked about marie's life, but how important to you has it been to have the love of a steady wife of 30-odd years. >> 33 years. it was the only thing that kept me sane because, you know, i'm not saying this because -- i'm