you two have gone back in the studio and made an album together. >> after 30 years, piers, can you believe? >> what finally brought you back to recording? >> well, i had to wait until she stopped playing with dolls. then i got serious with recording. >> then my comment would be -- no. >> was it fun? >> well, you know -- i don't know fun is the right word. >> neither of you said yes first. >> when you put an album together, it's a work of art. yeah, we could slap a bunch of songs together on a cd and call it good, ride this donny and marie wave. but you know, you have to put your producer's hat on and your artist's hat on. and it's bliek a blank canvas and you start painting. you know what you want it to look like, but until you start painting and see the final product, you never know. and we took a lot of time and a lot of effort putting this -- >> was it easy -- >> was it fun? it was fun. >> is it hard or easy to be with your own brother when you're making a record? >> oh, you know, i think initially when we --