any sustained job creation is that going to more than offset job cuts in the public sector because of cutbacks? >> well, again, in our case, the difference is unlike other states where they're talking about massive layoffs, we really essentially are protecting middle class jobs at the same time of protecting property taxpayers because we give the reductions and benefits -- >> middle class teachers would disagree. middle class teachers would disagree and say they're not being protected by the scott walker budget or administration. even this weekend there were more protests over the weekend with protesters saying the fight is not over and recent polling shows quite frankly that wisconsinites are divided on your plans for state workers. >> right. that's because the national union bosses have come in and poured millions of dollars here to try to make this an issue of workers rights when it's about protecting benefits and union dollarship, membership dollars they're looking at. that's what they want to protect. in the end what you're seeing is school district after school district that have used our