allowed to unless they have the approval of the subject. i'll give you an example. when this came up, i had to get my birth certificate. okay? so i called the hospital. i then had the department of health call. and they -- it's totally private. they said i'm sorry, sir, it's totally private. but you can give the approval to make it public. i said i so give the approval. and within 24 hours and a $38 check because i have to pay $38, it's a fee, they made it public. and it was all over the place. he can do the same thing. i agree -- >> but why should he be held -- >> if obama wanted to release it he can do that. >> why should he be held, though, to a different standard as any other standard -- >> he's not held to a different standard. it says you're supposed to show your birth certificate. not a weak paper known as a certificate of live birth. now, the only -- >> so if someone comes to work for you, mr. trump with -- >> the meaning is very different because a birth certificate is a much higher standard. >> you say it's a higher standard. but it's released by the same people. i don't understand why you would believe another form -- >> i know you're going to cut a