they are open. anybody can see them. and anybody if we see them, will admit that they are secular and democrats, wanting to make serious steps on the world of democracy, that they are western inclined and in favor of links with western world and so on. it's quite clear. everybody as if they were a secret government, as they were sort of dark secret army. no, they came to paris. they came to london when last week. any journlgist can speak with them. >> one of jourmist who has spoken with him is robert worth. you were in benghazi and met with these people. would you agree with bernard henri levy's characterization?