national security adviser stephen hadley and ali errishi. before we go any further, this is a bad guy, we get it. he's bombing and killing his own people and yet both of you willing had dealings with him. you as part of the bush administration when it opened relationships with moammar gadhafi. why? we know he's been a bad guy for four decades, so why deal with him? >> well, it was a very difficult decision, but what we got for being willing to resume relations with libya is that he gave up his weapons of mass destruction, his nuclear program, his chemical weapon program. that's all -- all that hardware is now in the united states. he also provided compensation to the victims of care. he got out of the terror business. it was a difficult decision. >> yes, he did. i think the wisdom of what we