traumatic experience, at whatever age, that they don't forget. it's something i've certainly tried to push back and, you know, keep in the back of my head. but it's always there, you know, popping up periodically. and especially when i'm dealing with my daughters and they -- they are going for a sleepover, going to a basketball camp, or going over -- you know, doing something and i say, hey, stranger danger. remember, stranger danger. somebody who does, a, b, c, or d, tell mom and dad. don't be mad, don't be embarrassed. they have the control. they say no one will ever believe you, period. and that's what you believe. >> a familiar tale of almost everyone who's abused at that age. >> right. >> they play on the innocence of a child. >> yeah. >> ton really know what's going -- not to really know what's going. on were you aware that what he was doing was wrong? >> absolutely. and i fought back. i recommend people fight back. i fought back, and i was glad i did obviously. and then really wish in retrospect i would have told somebody. once again, when you're in that environment of sleepover camp where it's a two-month camp, who do you tell because you're