koch industries -- the company being led by the two brothers, david ask charles -- koch industries goes on to say that the new york era kusz the koch to be veeycovert. they clearly state the philosophies and institutions we support, unquote. any farther? >> they were so covert they couldn't answer a single question from the new yorker and information they provided was actually just stuff on their web site. they're fascinating characters. they're hu ame players in amerin politics. the organization they found is pouring $35 million into the mid-term elections to push their political views and it would be great if they would speak more. jane mayor from the new yorker. apprecia your time. >> good to be with you. reading, writing and gunfire