frankly speaking, john, most muslim leaders like rauf and non-muslims have to be much more sensitive to the cultural context in which the debate is being conducted. i'm very dismayed about the intensity and the levels, and yet, we seem to be fueling this very fire. and paradoxically, the imam seems to be doing it with his project. paradoxically because he's a man of peace. >> finish this out for the koran burning on saturday, how potential inflammatory could that be globally? >> so, i mean, what i'm heartened by is all of the acts of interfaith solidarity that i've seen in this country and i think that is what's the best thing about america. i think if we live up to our idea of religious freedom and people stand together in solidarity with one another to

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