it's very nuanced and very, very tricky. i didn't think that he was implying some personal threat anyway. >> david gergen, i want to bring you in. we haven't heard your voice. you have been skeptical about this project a long time saying, yes, legally, constitutionally, they have every right to build. do they need to build it on this spot? it's obviously a sensitive issue. did the imam change your mind in any way, in any direction? >> i certainly agreed with fareed. he struck me as a man of peace, a moderate, a bridge builder. i think he is genuine in that. i did not think he offered a lot of alternatives, nor do i think he truly heard the voices of rosaleen or andy when he lumped people together about extremists. there are people who are nowhere near extremists, but have genuine feelings, emotions. >> rosaleen doesn't strike me as an extremist. >> certainly not. and i do think -- fareed and i