it is? >> i think there's certainly a possibility that if you have this center crumble under pressure, if you have korans burned in public demonstrations of anger that radicals in places like indonesia, jordan, that the osama bin ladens of the world will use this to manipulate public opinion. they've done it in the past. they've done it with things like the danish cartoons and all kinds of perceived slights. this is being reported all over the world. i do think there is some reality there. but the main point -- i would say the main message that i got out of that interview is that this man is genuinely a moderate and is looking for some middle ground. time and again he said i don't rule out anything. and i'm looking for a way to ease the pain of people who felt hurt. i've tried to do this because i thought it would be a peacemaking and bridge-building effort. and that really does seem to be what's motivating him. >> andy, you were on the program last night, saying you don't