shahzad, who's thinking about committing some act of jihadism is that look, bro, remember that in the last five years alone al qaeda, okay? has -- more muslims have been killed, maimed, tortured, imprisoned by the likes of al qaeda than by any foreign imperial power. so that if you really want to be true to your community you don't do it through acts of jihadism, you don't do it by joining the pakistani taliban or being an agent for them on american soil. you do it by speaking out against abuse of power within your religion. this is what you will never hear moderate muslims say. >> but what about this issue of how common is -- how widespread are the faisal shahzads? i still maintain that what you're describing is not a widespread phenomenon, that if you look at american muslim communities, yes, you can find the occasional faisal shahzad. but look, it's been ten years since 9/11. not only have you not found -- has there not been a second attack. there haven't been a lot of plots.