islamism, than it is to the american constitution. and he acts on it. and he's not the only one. we -- >> this is the utter bankruptcy of moderate muslims. okay? what you will never hear a moderate muslim say to a faisal shahzad, who's thinking about committing some act of jihadism is that look, bro, remember that in the last five years alone al qaeda, okay? has -- more muslims have been killed, maimed, tortured, imprisoned by the likes of al qaeda than by any foreign imperial power. so that if you really want to be true to your community you don't do it through acts of jihadism, you don't do it by joining the pakistani taliban or being an agent for them on american soil. you do it by speaking out against abuse of power within your religion. this is what you will never hear moderate muslims say. >> but what about this issue of how common is -- how widespread are the faisal shahzads? i still maintain that what