>> larry: so it's -- >> some would say only hit. but -- >> larry: well, "cleveland's" pretty good. that's an offshoot of -- >> yeah, yeah. >> larry: you "the simpsons" and went raw, right? >> yeah, i mean, you try to take what's good about your predecessors and take it to the next level. i think there's a -- you know, originality is important. at the same time, when "all in the family" came out, there were a lot of great shows that followed that were taking a cue from that show. look how well they did this. this is new. let's do more versions of this. >> larry: do you think to yourself, i'm gutsy? >> not really. i guess maybe that makes me a little desensitized. >> larry: so there's no limit on you, is there? >> there is. we have long extended conversations about what we should or should not do. >> larry: give me a topic you turned down. >> um, if something is, is a recent tragedy of some kind.
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