they're filling the shelves of grocery stores in japan with whale meat. >> larry: what's a useful way? >> well, they were using it for lights. they were using it as fuel. >> larry: to live. >> eating the blubber and so on. but they aren't doing that today. >> larry: captain watson, what is operation waltzing matilda? >> to honor the australian people without their support we wouldn't have a base of operations. that's where we launch our campaigns from. and one of the things that we're really concerned about this next year is that, because no action was taken against the captain of the "shonan maru," was given a green light to the japanese to be even more aggressive next year. so we are really worried that they're going to intensify their violence they've sunk one of our ships and got away with it. they will possibly try to do it again. >> larry: if this was a show in japan and they were on, what would they say about you?