project that notion. but the reality is that in rhode island and other states that have essentially the same kind of protocol, and what's more is that in the federal process called 287-g, a program that calls for states and the federal government to work together on these things, essentially arizona has just codified that in state law. it's ironic that with all of the arguments that this is somehow about racial profiling, i think the president of the united states has spoken known falsehoods about this bill because the bill itself, in numerous cases, numerous places, outlaws racial profiling. >> but there is intent, congressman, there is intent and then there is what actually happens. and the truth is if an arizona policeman pulled me over for speeding, i seriously doubt he would ask me for my papers. but if someone who looked latino was pulled over, i'm assuming they would ask for those papers. so isn't the net product to be profiling? >> no, i don't think so.