>> larry: well, "cleveland's" pretty good, but that's an offshoot of -- >> yeah. >> larry: but you took "the simpsons" and went raw, right? >> yeah. i mean, you try to take what's good about your predecessors and take it to the next level. i think there's, you know, originality is important and at the same time when "all in the family" came out, there were a lot of great shows that followed that were taking a cue from that show. oh, look how well they did this. this is new. let's do more versions of this. >> larry: do you think to yourself, i'm gutsy? >> not -- not really. i guess maybe that makes me a little desensitized but -- >> larry: so there's no limit on you, is there? >> there is. we have long, extended conversations about what we should or should not do. >> larry: give me a topic you turned down. >> if something is a recent tragedy of some kind. >> larry: death. >> we won't touch it. yeah, yeah. if there's a recent plane crash, we obviously will not make a
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