and that's when succession came about. they wanted to secede, to secede from the union. >> no, i absolutely disagree with you. let's talk about some real evidence. >> hang on -- >> you said what you had to say. >> i know, let me talk. i let you talk for a long time and i'll give you your choice. am i to believe the history book, that what i've read about, what the history books say, what every other historian says, my own ears and my own eyes, or am i to believe what you say and what civil war reenactors to say. >> well, let's go to that. let's talk about that. let's talk about the establishment of the public school system in 1865 and how the northern school teachers came here to demonize and divide and separate black folks and white folks in the south. but more importantly, let's talk about abraham lincoln and his amendment. if the southern men wanted to maintain the economic institution of slavery, they would have went along with lincoln's support of the amendment. and basically what lincoln said,